
Jun. 10, 2022 - Tim Malloy | OFF THE RECORD
Season 51 Episode 50 | 27m 45sVideo has Closed Captions
Topic: FBI Raid of GOP Candidate for Gov. Ryan Kelley. Guest: Pollster Tim Malloy.
The panel discusses the FBI raid on the home of GOP candidate for Governor Ryan Kelley. The guest is Quinnipiac University Pollster Tim Malloy to discuss the latest polling on guns. Craig Mauger, Emily Lawler and Jonathan Oosting join senior capitol correspondent Tim Skubick to discuss the week in Michigan government and politics.
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Jun. 10, 2022 - Tim Malloy | OFF THE RECORD
Season 51 Episode 50 | 27m 45sVideo has Closed Captions
The panel discusses the FBI raid on the home of GOP candidate for Governor Ryan Kelley. The guest is Quinnipiac University Pollster Tim Malloy to discuss the latest polling on guns. Craig Mauger, Emily Lawler and Jonathan Oosting join senior capitol correspondent Tim Skubick to discuss the week in Michigan government and politics.
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AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.
THANK FOR TUNING IN TO OFF THE RECORD LIVE FROM STUDIO C ON A FRIDAY MORNING.
LOTS TO CHURN IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR AMONG REPUBLICANS ANKLELY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD DAY YESTERDAY.
WHAT IS NEXT?
FIVE OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR AT THE RECENT DEBATE WERE BOUNCED FROM THE TICKET AND NOW THIS.
CAN DATE KELLEY HAS BEEN RACE AND CHARGED FOR THE ALLEGED MISCONDUCT AT THE JANUARY 6th CAPITOL DISTURBANCE BASED ON EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE VIDEO ON THAT DATE THE FEDERAL YOU A AUTHORITIES BELIEVE THAT MR. KELLEY WAS MORE THAN CASUAL OB OVER OF THE UNFOLDING EVENT AND THE FESSED ATHING COMPLAINT TENNED AND REMAINED IN THE RY STRICKED U.S. CAPITOL HAD IN TELB AND ENGAGED IN CONDUCT AGAINST U.S. GOVERNMENT PROPERTY BANE FABER RY 2021 HE NEVER WENT INSIDE AND HAD NO ALTERCATION WITH ANY POLICE OFFICERS AND NEVER INTENDED TO DO EITHER NONETHELESS FBI SERVED WARRANT THE ALLENDALE HOME AND ARRESTED HUP ON THE COMPLAINT TODAY OH WAS ARRAIGNED IN COURT THIS AFTERNOON WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME IN MICHIGAN POLITICAL HOSTLY THAT A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR FACED MISDEMEANOR CHARGES WHILE RUNNING FOR THE STATE'S HIGHEST OFFICE.
THE FILING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA IS NOT THE KIND YOU WANT.
HOWEVER IN THIS CURRENT ANTIGOVERNMENT CLIMATE SOME COULD ARGUE IT COULD HELP MR. KELLEY WITH SOME VOTERS.
EMILY, BE WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE STORY IT?
S POTENTIAL TO HELP, FRANKLY.
RYAN KELLEY WAS STRUGGLING WITH NAME RECOGNITION AND PLASTERED ALL OVER THE NEWS NOR RECENTLY AND IMMEDIATELY THE REACTION FROM SOME OF THE MOST END GAIN ARE GRAINED REPUBLICAN WAS TO TREAT HIM AS MARTYR SO I DO THINK HE COULD POTENTIALLY PICK UP VOTES FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE OVERTURNED OR WHO WERE WHOPPING THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE IS A REAL POTENTIAL THIS COULD HELP HIM.
>> YEAH.
IF HE ACTUALLY GOES JAIL AND COULD CERTAINLY COME HI CALL IT THE CAMPAIGN, BUT THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT THOUGH IS EMILY MENTIONED IS A BUNCH OF NAME I.D.
FOR HIM AND HAS NOT DENIED THAT HE WAS AT THE CAPITAL THIS WAS KNOWN BEFORE WITH YOU BUT NOT SUPER WELL-KNOWN AND GETTING THE NAME OUT THERE AND THEN, YEAH.
REIS, HE HAS BEEN ALREADY CAMPAIGN ON THIS IDEA, HE HAS BEEN ON THE FRONT LINES FIGHTING FOR REPUBLICAN CAUSES FIGHTING FOR FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND THIS I KNOW, GIVES HIM SOME CREDIBLE ON THAT MESSAGE.
>> YEAH.
POLITICAL PRISON.
YEAH.
YEAH.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO TURN INTO A REFERENDUM IN HOW THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN VIEW WHAT OCCURRED ON JANUARY SIXTH.
IT IS COMING AT A MOMENT AND TIME THE U.S. HOUT IS BEGINNING TO HOLD THE HEARINGS ON THE INSURRECTION.
NOW, YOU HAVE A MAN IN MICHIGAN WHO IS RUNNING FOR THE STATE'S TOP OFFICES WHO HAS YOUNG FAMILY AND 3:00 WHO SAYS HE IS A POLITICAL PRISONER.
THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS A POLITICAL PERSECUTION THAT PLAYS INTO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AND PENG IN THIS STATE.
AND PRIMARY VOTERS LIKE EMILY SAID, MIGHT SAY, HEY, NOW I KNOW RYAN KELLEY.
HE IS STAGE UP FOR US.
AM MORE LIKELY TO VOTE FOR HIM.
YOU TALK TO POLLSTER, THIS WILL BE TOXIC FOR HIM.
>> YEAH.
HE IS NOT THE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
OK. >> IN THE FIVE-CANDIDATE FIELD WHEREVER WITHIN IS TRYING TO CARVE OUT THE SPACE.
RYAN KELLEY IS TRYING TO CARVE OUT THE FURTHEST SPACE AND PUTS HIM A GREAT LEAP IN THAT DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN HIM DO THAT APPEAL TO THE POPULOUS GROUPS ALL ALONG BUT ALSO, THING LIKE HE WAS THE ONLY CANDIDATE NOT TO ATTEND THE DEBATE ON MACKINAC ISLAND OVER VACCINATION.
MADE THAT INTO A TAKE POINT.
THINK THINK GIVES HIM CREDIBILITY TO STAY IN THE LYNN AND CLAIM IT AND OWN IT.
>> I THINK IS NO QUESTION THAT GETS MORE VOTES TODAY THAN WE WOULD HAVE YESTERDAY BEFORE THIS STORY BROKE.
THE QUESTION IS: IS IT ENOUGH TO PUT HIM OVER THE TOP OVER THE OTHER FOUR?
>> YEAH.
THINK, THIS RACE IS WIDE OPEN.
RYAN KELLEY HAS BEEN CALLING PRESIDENTS THE FRONTRUNNER IN THE RACE BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE POLE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIVE OTHER CANDIDATES WERE DISQUALIFIED THAT HAD RYAN KELLEY, WELL, NUMBER TWO BEHIND UNDECIDE, WHICH WAS THE CLEAR MAJORITY.
I THINK THIS RACE IS REALLY UNSETTLED AT THIS POINT.
YEAH.
IT GIVES RYAN KELLLAY SHOT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY TO CARVE OUT AS AMLY SAID, THE SPACE MORE CLEARLY IN THE PRIMARY THEN, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS ANYBODY'S RACE AT THIS POINT.
>> YEAH.
THAT POLL WAS OUTLIAR COMPARED TO EVERY OTHER POLL IN THE RACE.
SO THE X FACTOR HERE DOES IT HELP AMONG PRIMARY VOTERS IS ONE QUESTION.
DOES THIS HELP THEM GET DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT WHICH WIDELY IS VIEWED AS WHAT COULD DESIDE THIS RACE.
IT WAS CLEAR PREVIOUSLY DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR AND NOW DONALD TRUMP ANTICIPATE RADAR AND DONALD TRUMP SAYING THIS IS THE GUY WHO IS GOING TO STAND WITH ME AND THE GUY I WILL GO WITH IN THE RACE.
WHAM ABOUT THE OTHER FOUR IN THE RACE THERE WAS CRITICS FAME CORRECT AND, HE BASICALLY SORT OF CAME TO DEFENSE SIDE AND MET THIS GUY.
HE IS A GOOD GUY.
HOW DO YOU HANDLE IF YOU ARE.
DO YOU IGNORE THIS?
PLUG FORWARD?
I DON'T THINK I SAW A RESPONSE.
SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
OTHER CANDIDATES DID WEIGH IN.
WE SAW COUPLE OF OTHERS COME TO HIS DEFENSE AND MUCH IN THE VAUGHN I SPOKE OF EARLIER.
WHERE REPUBLICANS ARE SORT OF LOOKING AT THIS AND QUESTIONING THE TIMING AND FIRST OF WALL THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE STARTING AND ALSO JUST SORT OF SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, HIS PRIVACY WAS INVADE OR SEEMED LIKE YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED.
>> SO JONATHAN, JAMES CRAIG RUNNING CAMPAIGN.
HAIL MARY?
>> DEFINITELY LAY HAIL MARY.
CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
CAN YOU COVER LONGER THAN I HAVE.
I CANNOT RECALL A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE EVER GETTING CLOSE TO SUCCEEDING.
OF COURSE, MIKE DID SO AS MAYOR OF DETROIT.
YEAH.
NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.
RUNNING THE STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN AND GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FANNED HIS NAME YOU ON THE BALLOT THE FACT HE HAS TWO FIRST NAMES COULD EVEN COMPLICATE A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN.
THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SAW PERRY JOHNSON ANOTHER CANDIDATE PICK ARE KICKED THE BALLOT LAST NIGHT AND HE CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS AND THINKS IT WOULD COST $22 MILLION TOLL RUN A SUCCESSFUL WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN.
JAMES HAS THAT MACHINE M ANYHOW CLOSE TO $22 MILLION IS?
HE PROBABLY $21 SHORT.
>> YEAH.
>> NOWHERE NEAR.
AND KEEP MIND WE HAVE SEEN THIS ALREADY DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
THE OWN THE OWN ATTORNEY SPELLED HIS NAME INCORRECTLY IN A LEGAL FILING.
THAT SPEAKS TO HOW LOO LIKELY IT IS.
HE HAS CAMPAIGNED OFTEN AS CHIEF CRAIG.
S THAT HOUR HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF IN A LOT OF THE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT IS NOT ENOUGH.
IF SOMEONE WRITES DOWN CHIEF CRAIG THAT WOULD NO BE ENOUGH TO GET A VOTE.
OK.
THE SEAM THING.
>> YEAH.
THINK THIS CAMPAIGN HAS HD PROBLEMS FROM THE THE START, RIGHT?
WE SAW CATASTROPHIC LAUNCH, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS SHOW.
YOU KNOW?
HE HAS BURNED THROUGH A FEW CAMPAIGN MANAGERS, CONSULT A ANTS THEN STAFF, THEN, FRANKLY THE 15,000 SIGNATURE THRESHOLD YOU NEED GET ON THE BALLOT IS NOT MEANT TO BE ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT BARRIER IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ORGANIZATIN CAPACITY TO DO THAT, I QUESTION IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY TO RUN A WRITE-IN COME PAIN.
I WILL USE ONE SPORTS METER TO ON THIS SHOW EVER.
BUT THIS IS SORT OF LIKE WIMPING OUT HALFWAY THROUGH AND DECIDING YOU WANT TO RUN A MARATHON.
>> PREGNANT CLAUSE.
WE'LL LET THAT SING.
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S SEE YOU ASSUME HE DOES THIS AND LAUNCHES THE CAMPAIGN.
HE GETS X AMOUNT OF VOTES DOES HE DECIDE THIS ELECTION NOT WIN THE NOMINATION BUT IS HE STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE VOTE AS YOU WAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TO ACTUALLY TURN THIS THING AROUND?
>> I MEAN, POTENTIALLY HE COULD ARGUE THAT HE MIGHT HAVE PICKED IN THE QUOTE UNQUOTE ESTABLISHMENT VOTES THAT SEEMINGLY DIXON IS AGE FOR RIGHT NOW.
MEAN, IT IS REALLY THAT READY TO SAY.
I MEAN, HE IS NOT TRADITIONAL ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE EITHER.
SO YOU MO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE.
I THINK THIS RACE IS WIDE OPEN.
I DON'T THINK JAMES CRAIG RUNNING A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF PONTS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT PERRY JOHNSON I SAID I THOUGHT HE GOT A MINOR VICTORY THE FEDERAL COURTS EVEN TOOK HIS CASE BECAUSE LOOK.
IF YOU LOOK AT SUPREME COURT, HADN'T THEY BEEN SAYING RIGHTS AND HERE IS THE CLASSIC RIGHT AND THE ELECTION SAKE I DIDN'T GET THE NAMES THEN THE FEDS WILL BAIL THEM OUT.
WELL, THINK HE IS A LONG WAY FROM ACHIEVING THAT OUTCOME.
I MAN THE STATE CORTS HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND DEALING WITH THE LAWS THEN GETTING ON THE BALLOTS FOR DECADES THEN, NOW, YOU THROW THIS TO THE FEDERAL COURT AND THEY HAVE TO GET AN UNDSTAPEDESSING OF HOW THE LAWS WORK AND WHAT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE HERE AND THE SAME TIME OUR BALLOTS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING PRINTED AND DISTRICT VIEWED THEN THE WAY THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO WORK, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR PERRY JOHNSON AND THE LEGAL TEAM TO CONVINCE THE FEDERAL JUDGE REVERSE HEA WHOLE PROSINESS START UT AGAIN.
SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT.
MAYBE CHANGE THE DATE OF THE ELECTION.
THINK PIT IS GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY LARGE PROCT OF THINKING IF YOU LOOK AT IT TO THE FIRST CANDIDATE HER TO FIRST BALLOTS THAT GO ARE OUT MILITARY CAN'T SEE ANY CANDIDATE WANTS TO CRUNCH THE TIME LAIN TO MAKE IT SO THE VOTERS DON'T HAVE TIME.
>> I WAS SURPRISE THE FEDERAL JUDGE SAID LET'S HAVE A HEARING.
>> YEAH.
THAT HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 14th WHICH IS AFTER PROBABLY THE BALLOTS ARE PRINTED, SO AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO PERRY'S REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING.
HE WANT WITHS THAT AS SAN AS TODAY AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ACTION ON THAT FRONT.
THEN, I MEAN, AI GOO HE.
THINK IT IS A LONG SHOT.
LEGAL ARGUMENT AT THIS POINT.
IT IS INTERESTING HIS ATTORNEY PIS A NEW ATTORNEY HERE.
IT IS ERIC WHO ACTUALLY DID SUE AND GOT THE SIGNATURE THRUSHHOLD THROWERRED IN 2020 NOW OF COURSE THAT WAS BECAUSE OF COVID-19 AND LOCKED DOWN AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE REALLY UNUSUAL OBSTACLES AND BUT HIS ATTORNEY SAYS, SOME EXPERIENCE, MAYBE THE ONLIER THAN WOULD TAKE THE CASE, I DON'T KNOW.
IT IS, IT IS AN INTERESTING IN WHERE WRINKLE.
>> WELL, HE IS STILL IN THE GAME WHICH WITH ARE SCRATCHING TO STAY IN THE GAME THIS KEEP IN THE GAME THE QUESTION IS AS YOU POINT OUT, THE TIMING.
MIKE IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW THIS THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAS IF HER FROMMED STUFF TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
YEAH.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST TORRES OF THE YEAR.
YEAH.
>> NOW THINK THIRD ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YEAH.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS BEEN REFERRED AN INVESTIGATION INTO NONPROFITS TIED TO THE LEADER THE STATE'S SENATE.
>> SO WHAT?
>> SO WHAT?
I MEAN.
THIS IS A HUGE DEAL FOR POLL TUX IN LANSING.
THESE ARE NONPROFITS THAT RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM POLITICAL INSIDERS LIKELY SOME OF THE BIGGEST CORPORATION AND INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU KNOW.
DONATING MONEY IN SECRET TO GROUPS WHO IN THE SPEND IT ON THE ELECTIONS THEN FOR WHAT COULD BE THE FIRST TIME IN THIS STATE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CANDYING INTO THOSE IN TY BOOKS THEN SHINE LIGHT OWN WHAT US OH CORING WITH THE NONPROFITS.
THAT IS A MASSIVE DEAL POTENTIALLY.
>> JONATHAN?
WELL, YEAH.
I AGREE.
IT IS VERY FASCINATING I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN THESE.
WE HAVE SEEN THESE NONPROFITS FOR YEARS NOW.
PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OF 3:00 WHAT IS LEGAL.
>> I AM CONFUSED ON WHAT THE CHARGE IS.
THE CHARGE IS THE NONPROFITS WERE WIELDING MONEY IN A WAY WHERE THEY SHIELDED THE DONORS TO UNLOCK MICHIGAN VOW A BALLOT COMMITTEE THAT IS WORK WITHING TO CHANGE STATE LAWS AND THEY ARE USING NONPROFITS TO HIDE WHO IS FUNDING THIS EFFORT.
AND UNDER OUR POLICY, DONATIONS ARE POSED TO BE DISCLOSED.
A DIF DIFFERENCE THAT A TOOL, A CANDIDATE COULD BE KEPT SECT CRET SO A DELYNN NATION THERE.
THERE IS DELINEATION AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTIONS ARE POSED TO BE DISCLOSED AS WELL.
THIS WOULD WITH BE AKIN TO HAVING SOME TYPE OF?
WALL SETUP WHERE YOU KNOW, CUE SUPPORT A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR BUT NOUR WHY I AM NAME WOULD BE HIDDEN DIRECTLY.
HERE YOU GO GOVERNOR.
THIS ARE HERE IS $1 MILLION CHECK NOON ONE GETS TO KNOW I AM GIVE THINKING $1 MILLION CHECK DIRECTLISM THIS IS ALLEGATION.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS CASE, THE ALLEGATIONS.
THEN WE HAVE SEEN DAMAGE MONEY NONPROFITS PLAYING FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT ALLEGATIONS HERE ARE THAT THIS NONPROFIT WAS DIRECTLY YOU KNOW, SOLICITING CONTRIBUTIONS FOR A BALLOT INIT THIS THEN SENDING THAT MONEY TOW BALLOT COMMITTEE.
SO NOT JUST A NONPROFIT THAT DECIDED HEY WE HAVE RAYED THIS MONEY MERE IS A CAUSE WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT INSTEAD WAS A COORDINATED ATTEMPT TO SHIELD DONORS WHICH WITH IS AND ASSUME THIS HAP HAPPENS REGULARLY BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PAPER TRAIL HERE TO SUPPORT THESE ALLEGATION.
>> THIS COULD GETTINGLY, EMILY.
IT COULD.
IT COULD GET BEAUTIFUL.
WELL SAY THAT PERHAPS PEOPLE ARE MORE INTERESTED IN TRANSPARENCY AFTER LEARNING STUFF LIKE TO HAPPENS.
FOR A LONG TIME WELL, WE ARE EXPECTED THAT SOME OF THIS HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES BUT SHINING A LIGHT ON IT.
PUTTING HIT TO FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER DOES HELP PEOPLE MAYBE GET 3:00 MORE INTERESTED IN THE FACT THAT SOME OF THIS BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF IS HAPPENING THAT MILL MILL'S CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS DON'T GUARD AGAINST.
>> I THERE IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION POTENTIALLY EXPLORING SOME OF THESE SAME QUESTIONS WHICH IS THE INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER SPEAKER LEE CHATFIELD WHICH OF COURSE INVOLVES YOU KNOW, ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BUT ALSO, ALSO WELL, POLITICAL SPENDING AND HIS NONPROFITS.
HIS CAMPAIGN ACCOUNTS PACKS ARE BEING BEING NOW BY INVESTIGATORS.
IF ALL OF THIS POPPED THAT LEGALLY CLOSE TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
OK. JUST SAYING.
LET'S CALL IN OUR GUESTS TODAY IN C CONNECTICUT.
HOW IS EVERYTHING IN CONNECTICUT TIM.
OFFING IS GREAT.
>> GOOD TO BE ON.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU.
YOU HAD SOME POLLING UM BER THOUGHTS WEEK.
WHAT'S THE HUGE STACK AWAY FOR YOU ON THE GUN ISSUE, THE BIG ONE WASES THAT 3-1 AMERICANS WE TOLL POLLED WANT TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE OF BIG ALL GUN NOT JUST ASSAULT WEAPONS TO 21 AND THE OR ONE WOULD BE THAT 57% WAS QUICKER GUN LAWS AND 4 A% DID A YEAR AGO.
SO WE HAVE SEEN MOVEMENT AND SOME CONCERN OVER WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST YEAR AND THE YEARS BEFORE.
, A THE.
BIR ALSO HAVE ON PARENTAL CONCERN BEEN THEIR KIDS WAS IN TRE SNAG YEAH.
57% OF THE AMERICANS WITH KIDS THAT IS HOW WE PREV FACE THE QUESTION.
57% ARE WORRIED THAT THEIR KIDS' SCHOOL, THEIR SCHOOL, WILL BE ATTACKED AT MASS CASUALTY EVENT, WHICH REALLY GOES HEART OF THE CONCERN THROUGH THE COUNTRY NOW.
>> JONATHAN.
TIM, WHAT DOES THE POLL SAY ABOUT RED FLAG GUN LAWS?
WE HAVE SEEN A DEBATE HERE IN MICHIGAN ABOUT LEGISLATION.
THE SENATE MAJOR CITY LEADER PROMISED A HEARING THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
DO VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY SAY ABOUT RED FLAG GUN LAWS?
>> OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR 82% FOR HAVING A JUDGE OR POLICE BE ABLE TO INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF FAMILY OR POLICE WHO SEE SOMEONE AS DANGER, SO BIG NUMBER ON THAT.
WE HAVE NOT PULLED THAT BEFORE SO I DON'T HAVE A REAL TREND ON IT.
IT IS GIGANTIC NUMBER.
>> I WANT TO DIG A LITTLE BIT TO THE TAB.
YOU SEE THE HIGH LINE NUMBER THAT SAYS MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT STRUCKER GUN LAWS BUT WHEN YOU KNOW, YOU THINK, PEOPLE MAY LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, THEN, THE REPUBLICAN DEMOCRATIC ROPE SENSITIVE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING TRACK OTHER GUN LAWS AND VERY DIFFERENT NUMBER WHEN YOU DIG DOWN THE DEMO GRAPH KICKS OF WHO IS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
NOW, 92% MUCH THE PEOPLE WE POLLED WANT BETTER BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT WOULD INCLUDE AN AWFUL LOFT REPUBLICANS.
IT IS CONFUSION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO WHY IT IS HUGE.
DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS ON SOME ISSUES INVOLVING GUNS AND THEN DIFFERENT FEELINGS ON ANOTHER.
YEAH.
IT IS.
IT IS.
YOU KNOW?
LET ME POINT ONE OUT, TIM.
WE ACTUALLY FOUND STUNNING.
40% 3:00, LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
AM I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WRONG INFORMATION HERE.
WE HAD THE LOWEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAYING WE SHOULD BAN ASSAULTED WEAPONS THAT WE EVER HAD SINCE SANDY HOOK.
AND WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE AND CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.
BUT IN FACT, DRAMATICALLY LOWER THAN IT HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST TEN OR NINE YEARS SO HOWE THE MESSAGE ABOUT ASSAULT WEAPONS IS THROUGH PEOPLE AND YOU TAKE THAT GUN AND MAY TAKE ALL THE GUNS THAT IS GOING TO HAVE.
THAT IS ONE OF THENGS THAT DID JUMP OUT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT LOOKS LIKE GROUNDSWELL OF REAL CONCERN NOW.
>> YEAH.
MY QUESTION IS.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THIS ISSUE THEN, THERE SEEMS TO BE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG THE POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS.
WHERE DOES IT RANK IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL BE BEE DECIDING PEOPLE'S VOTES IN NOVEMBER.
MAIN, IS THIS ABOVE INFLATION?
BELOW INFLATION?
YOU KNOW?
ABORTION?
HOW DOES IT COMPARE?
>> WELL, ACTUALLY I HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT.
WE DID ASK WHAT ARE THE GREATEST CONCERNS THE MOST YOU ARE GONE ISSUE OIS HOW WE DID IT.
34% INFLATION AND GUNS AND 17% THEN ACIN A, THIS WAS DONE RIGHT IN THE HEAT OF THIS.
DID THIS POOLING SOURCE AND VERY WELL AWARE IT HAPPENED IN BUFFALO AND TEXAS SO THEN, DOWN BELOW THERE, WAY DOWN, THERE IS UKRAINE, IMMIGRATION, AND COVID WAY DOWN.
BUT PIT IS INFLATION.
BY A LOT.
THEN GUNS.
>> THTHERE IS AUGENDS TER ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS?
>> WOMEN ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS.
DEMOCRATS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BOTH ISSUES THAN REPUBLICANS LESS CONCERNED THAN DEMOCRATS.
EBB IS CONCERNED.
THE NUMBERS SHOW THERE IS A BIG DISTARE FARE.
>> ALSO INDEPENDENT VOTERS OFTEN DETERMINE ELECTIONS AND BECOMING MORE ENGAGED OR PRETTY MUCH WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN.
>> I WISH I HAD A GOOD NUMBER FOR YOU.
DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.
INDEPENDENT Z AS I RECALL WERE SORT OF IN THE MILD ON THIS.
AM SORRY.
NOT A GOOD ANSWER.
>> JOHN NOON NATIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MENTIONED INFLATION, I THINK YOU DID SOMETHING BIDEN'S POPULARITY AS WELL.
MEAN HOW CRITICAL ARE THOSE NUMBERS IN YOUR OPINION TO STATE LEVEL RACES?
HOW CONCERNED SHOULD GOVERNOR WHITMER BE FOR INSTANCE THAT VORES ARE REALLY DOWN ON JOE BIDEN?
VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INFLATION THOSE ARE NATIONAL ISSUES HOW MUCH OF A STATE AMPLICATION DOES THAT HAVE HERE?
>> THESE GUYS ARE THE ANALYST ON THIS AND MICHIGAN IS THE STAGE AS FAR AS VERY COMPLIMENT CAIDED POLITIAL PICTURE AT ALL TIMES.
WHEN ONE VOTE IS SINK AND THE OTHER RISES, BIDEN WAS A 33% THIS WEEK WITH US THAT THIS IS LOWEST NUMBER OR TITLE THAT HE HAS HAD.
IF MY UNDERSTANDING AND AN MY TAKE ON 12 YEARS IN THIS.
WHEN THE PARTY IS IN TROUBLE AT THE TOP.
THE PARTY IS IN MORE TROUBLE DOWN BELOW.
NOT A GREAT ANSWER.
YEAH.
CERTAINLY DOESN'T HELP.
>> HOW BIG IS THE PARTISAN DIVIDE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GUN ISSUES PACIFICALLY?
SPECIFICALLY?
>> HUGE.
HUGE.
YEAH.
3:00 WERE PROGRAM HUGE.
SORRY LOOKING DOWN AT NOTES HERE, GUYS.
WELL THE STRICTER GUN LAWS THING IS 20% DISPARITY BETWEEN THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT.
BUT GOING BACK TO -9D 2% WANT BACKGROUND CHECK.
57% NOW RETORTED GUN LAWS AND GOT TO INCLUDE THE REPUBLICANS.
THE ASSAULT WEAPON WITHIN WITH I CANNOT FIG GUTTER.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT TAKING A DEEP DIVE ON THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS HERE.
DO YOU GET THE SENSE WE MAY HAVE REACHED THE TIPPING POINT BECAUSE AFTER EVERY ONE OF THE MASS SHOOTINGS WE GOT TOT DO SOMETHING.
IT IS IT YOUR SENSE NOW THAT THE DIE NAM KS ARE DIFFERENT THAT THIS ACTUALLY COULD BE THE MOMENT WHERE SOMETHING GETS DONE IN WHAT'S THE GUT TELLING YOU?
>> WELL, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, OUR POLLING PLACE AND OUR UNIVERSITY GUINEA PI AC IS 40 MILES DONE THE ROAD FROM SANDY HOOK AND WE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TOOK THAT PERSONALLY.
WE POLLED A LOT ABOUT GUNS SINCE THEN THEN WE FELT THAT WAS IT.
AM SURE YOU DID, TOO.
YEAH.
YEAH.
THIN DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS HIT.
YOU KNOW?
YOU WATCHED THE IM PASSIONED ANTIGUN PEOPLE AND CHRIS MURPHY AND THE ACTOR, WHAT IS HIS NAME, MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY.
IT IS THAT HAVING IMPACT?
ARE WE REMOVING TOWARD THE RED FLAG THING, POSSIBLY?
THAT IS POSSIBILITY.
BUT AFTER THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WILL SEE HAPPEN THAT WILL CHANNEL ANYTHING.
>> ARE SURPRISED THAT TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE SAID INFLATIONS THE MORE URGENT ISSUE THAN GUNS RIGHT NOW?
>> NOT ALLOWED TO DO SURPRISED BUT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE NUMBER ON GNS BOOS WOO HAVE BEEN WAY UP COMPARED TO WHERE IT IS.
17% AFTER WE ALL WATCHED THIS THESE MASSACRES THE LAST CONTINUE DAYS.
BUT YEAH.
INFLATION IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS COSTING A LOT OF M IN NO I PUT GAS IN THE TANK.
SUMMER VA EXAS ARE COMING.
HAYS READY TO PAY.
I GUESS ITATION LOOMING LINGERINGS IN THE MINDS OF FAMILIES AT THE DINNER TABLE.
WHERE AS GUNS DESPITE THE FACT THAT 57% OF THE FAMILY WORRIED ABOUT THE KIDS GETTING SHOT AT THE SCHOOL.
MAYBE THIS IS A SLOWER BOIL.
I DON'T KNOW.
>> THE OTHER PART OF THAT SURVEY WAS YOU ASKED THE PARENTS HOW CONCERNED THEY WERE ABOUT THEIR OWN SAFETY AND TURNS OUT PARENTS THAT WAS INTERESTING NUMBER.
I THINK IT WAS.
>> 40%.
>> 4 ON.
YEAH.
THEY SAY, AND THE KID THING.
FOUR IN TEN SAY THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT BECOMING VICTIMS OF MASS SHOOTING.
LET ME ASK YOU.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR UNIVERSITY.
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS POLL SNUG ARE COMING OUT ABOUT EVERY MONTH IN MALL OF WITH POLLING THINGS.
IT IS SOMEBODY PAYING YOU GUYS TO MAKE NEWS?
U LIKE THAT QUESTION?
>> NO.
THIS IS NONPARTISAN NOT FOR PROFIT POLL.
NO.
WE JUST DO IT.
THIS IS STARTED BY THE PRESIDENT SINCE RETIRED AND WAS POLLING JUNKY AND GOT THIS THING GOING AND IT IS PART OF OUR HOPEFULLY ARE THAT IS PART OF THE IMAGE THAT WE DO THIS AND DO IT RIGHT.
BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO SAY GUINEA PI ABILITY.
YEAH LISTEN THEY HAVE TAKEN A HIT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF ELECTION SAILLE CYCLES DOWN UP THERE WITH USED CAR SALESMAN WHAT YOU ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE AND THE JOURNALISTS.
>> WELL, WE HAVE NO METHOD QUESTIONS HERE.
>> YEAH, I AM SORRY.
YOU GUYS YOU HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBERS OF CELL NUMBERS THAT IS THE CRITICAL THING YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT CAN'T YOU?
WELL I DON'T GO THERE.
I JUST FLY THEM.
WE TICK A HARD LOOK AT THE WAY WE DO THIS AND REEXAMINING ALL THE TAM AND WE ARE A NOT AILEEN GOT CRUSHED AND THROB CLOSED THE GOVERNMENT LINE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T TELL THE TRUTH WHEN THEY GET POLLED NOW AND THIS DIE DI VIDED POLARIZE COUNTRIES THAT IS PROBABLY A PROBLEM, TOO.
BUT SUFFICE TO SAY.
MY BOSSES ARE LOOKING AT BOATER WAYS TO DO THIS.
>> WHALES DID YOU?
SUM UP THE MOOD OF THE COUNTRY NOW?
1:00.
>> DRAMATICALLY DIVIDED ON EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
WE CAN COUP DO ABORTION.
WE CAN DO FRACKING.
BIDEN HAS NUMBERS THAT LOOKS LIKE TRUMP'S NUMBERS.
NEITHER ONE DESERVES THE NUMBER THEY WERE GETTING.
AAMOUNT A TRUMP GUY.
I AM BIDEN.
YOU WONDER 6:00 IT SEEMS LIKE AN AND ANN GRY AND DIVIDED COUNTRY.
1:00 I HATE TO BE PESSIMISTIC.
>> TIM, YOU MENTIONED I GOT WRAP.
TIM, GET A TO SEE GAIN.
HANG IN THERE.
WHAT WHEN IS THE NEXT POLL SNOUT NEXT WEEK.
ALL RIGHT.
TALK TO YOU THEN ALL RIGHT.
HAVE A GOOD ONE, GUYS THANKS BE WHERE I.
GOOD TO SEE YOU ALSO THANKS TO JONATHAN AND EMILY AND MR. MAUGER.
SEE YOU NEXT WEEK FOR OFF THE RECORD.
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