OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS ROCK 'N' ROLLER TED NUGENT INVOLVED IN THE MICHIGAN RACE FOR GOVERNOR.

OUR LEAD STORY, THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY GOES SOUTH.

THE GOVERNOR GOES ON THE DEFENSE.

ON OUR PANEL, KYLE MELINN, JORDYN HERMANI AND JIM KIERTZNER.

SIT IN WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, "OFF THE RECORD."

ANNOUNCER: PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE FOLLOWING -- AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND WELCOME TO "OFF THE RECORD."

THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY WEEKEND SCHEDULE TO JOIN US WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN LANSING, AND A LITTLE LATER ON, THE QUIET AND MILD-MANNERED TED NUGENT WILL JOIN US.

RIGHT?

OKAY.

LET'S SAY GOOD MORNING TO OUR PANEL, JORDYN AND KYLE AND JIM.

THE GOVERNOR DID NOT HAVE A GOOD WEEK WHEN IT CAME TO JOBS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE FORD MADE A DECISION, WELL, THAT SHE DIDN'T LIKE.

>> SO ON A SCALE OF 1-10, WHAT KIND OF MARKS DOES SHE GET ON THIS ONE?

>> DOESN'T GET MARKS ON THIS ONE.

THERE'S A ZERO HERE.

THIS IS A GOOSE EGG.

>> WE'RE GOING TO WORK TO GET MORE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX SO THAT HOMEGROWN COMPANIES LOOK TO MICHIGAN FIRST AND INVEST IN MICHIGAN FIRST.

>> TURNS OUT FORD DID NOT LOOK AT MICHIGAN IN SELECTING READY MADE SITES IN TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY.

THE GOVERNOR NEVER HAD A, QUOTE, REAL OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON THE PROJECT.

THIS REPUBLICAN SENATOR CALLS THAT A TRAGEDY AND EXPOSES WEAKNESSES FOR MICHIGAN.

>> WHAT THE HECK DID WE DO WRONG TO LOSE THIS?

I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE COMPETITIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THE COST OF DELIVERING RAW MATERIALS IN LINES OF ELECTRICITY, GAS, ET CETERA.

>> THIS LEGISLATURE IS UNPREPARED.

THE GOVERNOR IS UNPREPARED.

THE STATE, MEDC IS UNPREPARED.

WE ARE NOT READY FOR PRIMETIME.

>> DID YOUR ADMINISTRATION MAKE A MISTAKE BY NOT BEING IN THE FORD GAME?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, TIM?

WE AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE INVESTMENT FOR MICHIGAN.

>> DIDN'T PURSUE THAT ONE.

>> FORD MADE ANOTHER BIG INVESTMENT IN MICHIGAN, BUT THIS ONE GOING OUT OF STATE IS DISAPPOINTING TO BE SURE.

>> THIS DEMOCRAT WITH A FORD FACILITY IN HIS OWN BACKYARD WAS ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, WAS A MISTAKE MADE?

>> I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE ALL OF THE DETAILS.

>> WHAT DOES YOUR GUT TELL YOU, REPRESENTATIVE?

>> MY GUT TELLS ME WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS.

>> THE REPUBLICANS WILL ALSO BE LOOKING INTO THIS AND DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU SEE THEM COME UP WITH AN ATTACK AD FOR THE GOVERNOR WITH THE FORD ISSUE AND THE JOBS GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>>> JORDYN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON A PROJECT AND LOSING IT, AND LOSING A PROJECT YOU NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO BID ON.

THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR THE GOVERNOR, IS IT NOT?

>> DEFINITELY, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, GIVES REPUBLICANS A LOT OF MEAT TO ATTACK HER.

THIS IS FORD MOTOR COMPANY, WHAT MICHIGAN IS KNOWN FOR, AND TO LOSE AN $11.5 BILLION PROJECT TO GO TO TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY BECAUSE THEY HAD READY MADE SITES, LOWER KILOWATT HOUR ELECTRICITY RATES.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT THE GOVERNOR IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS OF THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, HOW DOES MICHIGAN LOSE OUT ON ITS OWN HOME COMPANY?

IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A LOT OF INSIDE OF WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO MORE TO STAY ATTRACTIVE TO THE COMPANIES.

>> KYLE, SOME OF THE GOVERNOR'S FRIENDS SAY HOW CAN YOU BLAME HER, SHE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO BID ON THE PROJECT, HOW CAN YOU BLAME HER?

>> YOU'RE MAKING A BUSINESS DECISION A POLITICAL DECISION.

ANY TIME YOU DO, THAT THE LINES ARE BLURRED AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE RIGHT AND CORRECT INFORMATION GOES OUT.

THESE SITES WERE PICKED OUT.

THIS WAS A DECISION MADE BY FORD ON OTHER FACTORS.

THIS PLACE HAD A GEOTHERMAL OPPORTUNITY THEY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

A HYDRO OPPORTUNITY THEY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

FORD WANTED TO GO ALL GREEN ON THIS INVESTMENT.

NO TOUCH OF COAL OR OLD POWER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN MICHIGAN.

DTE HAS A LOT OF COLD POWER, IN TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO REDEVELOP A SITE.

THEY NEED TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC CAR INDUSTRY, AND HAD TO DO SOMETHING QUICKLY.

SO THIS GAVE THEM A BEST OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THAT AND MICHIGAN SIMPLY DIDN'T.

>> JIMMY, BY THE SAME TOKEN, CRITICS OF THE GOVERNOR SAY YOU HAVE AN MEDC, SUPPOSEDLY HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY HITTERS WORKING TO WORK ON THE PROJECTS.

HOW COME THEY DIDN'T FIND OUT?

>> THEY WEREN'T BROUGHT IN THE LOOP BY FORD.

YOU KNOW, FORD -- TALK ABOUT THIS WEEK, THEY SAID WE DIDN'T DO THIS STATE BY STATE, WE LITERALLY DID IT SITE BY SITE.

TOURED ALL THE SITES, LOOKED THROUGH THEM, A THOROUGH AND ARDUOUS PROCESS WITH THINGS WE DIDN'T CONSIDER BEFORE AND SAW A DTE THE VERY NEXT DAY SAY, WE COULD HAVE WORKED WITH FORD ON ENERGY COSTS BUT I THINK FORD DID ITS OWN PROCESS.

THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS GOVERNOR AND THIS STATE, AND MADE THEIR DECISION, AND WE'RE LOSING AN $11 BILLION INVESTMENT AND 11,000 JOBS.

THAT DOES HURT.

>> KYLE, THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATION OF THIS IS THAT THE AUTO INDUSTRY IS IN THE MIDST OF REINVENTING ITSELF AND GOING ELECTRIC.

AS WE MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, WHO BECOMES THE ELECTRIC CAR CENTER?

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DETROIT, IS IT?

>> WELL, IT POSSIBLY COULD BE.

RIGHT NOW IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.

I THINK WHAT THIS IS, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A POLITICAL LENS TO THIS, YOU GOT TO SEE THAT THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE IN MICHIGAN ARE NOT KEEPING UP WITH WHERE INDUSTRY IS GOING.

I KNOW THAT CONSUMERS AND DTE ARE TRY HARD TO GET AS MUCH RENEWABLES OUT THERE TO INCREASE THE WIND POWER, INCREASE SOLAR POWER, BUT, LOOK, THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE WHERE MICHIGAN WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERED.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO MICHIGAN, BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE PLAYS THAT GAME, TOO.

IF MICHIGAN WOULD HAVE THROWN THE KITCHEN SINK AT FORD TO HAVE GOTTEN THIS OPPORTUNITY BUT NEVER GOT A LOOK-SEE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE GREEN ENERGY POTENTIAL THAT OTHER STATES HAD.

THAT'S A WAKE-UP CALL TO LEGISLATORS FROM THIS DECISION.

>> I WAS SORT OF REMINDED OF THE HUNT WE HAD YEARS AGO OVER THE LOCATION FOR THE SATURN AUTO PLANT.

REMEMBER SATURN?

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT, GM?

ANYWAY, THEY DID NOT WANT TO COME TO MICHIGAN.

THEY WANTED TO TURN THE PAGE, WANTED NOTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE, QUOTE, TRADITIONAL AUTO INDUSTRY, WHY THEY WENT DOWN SOUTH AND PICKED A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT THIS ONE I THINK, JIMMY, YOU'RE RIGHT AND KYLE AND JORDYN.

FORD HAD ITS OWN REASONS, OWN AGENDA.

SORT OF WONDERED, DIDN'T THEY OE THE GOVERNOR A HEADS-UP, THOUGH THEY SAY, GOVERNOR, WE LOVE YOU AND WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU, WE GAVE YOU $7 BILLION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS.

IS THAT PART OF THE GAME OR NOT?

>> I THINK THE ANSWERS SHE GAVE YOU WHEN YOU CAUGHT HER OFFGUARD SAID TO HER SHE WASN'T GIVEN A HEADS-UP.

THE NEWS HIT HER LIKE IT HIT EVERYBODY ELSE.

MAYBE SHE WAS GIVEN AN HOUR OR TWO HEADS-UP.

YOU CAUGHT HER FLAT-FOOTED, YOU LOOK AT THE TAPE, IN THE INTERVIEW WITH YOU, SHE DIDN'T LOOK COMFORTABLE.

SHE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SHE HAD BEEN GIVEN A BIG HEADS-UP TO PLAN A TALKING POINT TYPE OF ANSWER.

I LIKE YOU, TIM, THOUGHT OF GENERAL MOTORS, THE SATURN PLANT THAT WENT TO SPRING HILL, TENNESSEE.

GENERAL MOTORS DID A STATE-BY-STATE SWEEPSTAKES, THEY WERE ON THE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW TOUTING THEY WANTED TO PUT THIS PLANT SOMEPLACE IN THE 1980s.

FORD DID THIS PRIVATELY, QUIETLY AND MADE ITS DECISION.

>> JORDYN, THE GOVERNOR MADE A DECISION ON THE BUDGET, $70 BILLION OF TAX DOLLARS GOING TO A VARIETY OF SERVICES BUT BROUGHT OUT THE VETO PEN AND RIGHT TO LIFE IS NOT HAPPY.

>> NO, IT IS NOT.

THE GOVERNOR VETOED SOMETHING LIKE $15 MILLION IN LINE ITEMS FOR THINGS THAT THE REPUBLICANS PUT INTO THE BUDGET THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY, NOT TAKE AWAY FROM ABORTION SERVICES BUT PROMPT FR ADOPTION OVER ABORTION FOR A MANDATE THAT A STATE CANNOT GIVE FUNDING TO INSTITUTIONS THAT PROVIDE ABORTIONS.

THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN EXTREMELY PRO-CHOICE FROM THE MOMENT SHE'S GOTTEN IN OFFICE, SO THIS WASN'T ANYTHING THAT SHOULD HAVE COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY.

DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, PRIOR TO THE BUDGET SIGNING WERE CONFIDENT SHE WAS GOING TO VETO THIS.

OF THAT 15 MILLION, THERE WAS 10 MILLION VETOED FOR MARKETING TO PROMOTE ADOPTION INSTEAD OF ABORTION, AND THERE WAS ALSO A COUPLE VETOES RELATED TO BIGGEST OF ALL, IN MY OPINION, THE MASK MANDATES AS IT RELATES TO LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS MANDATING K-12 MASKING, AS WELL AS THERE WAS BOILER PLATE WITH THE ABILITY OF COLLEGES TO MANDATE VACCINATIONS FOR STUDENTS.

THAT HAS RILED AND RUFFLED A LOT OF FEATHERS AND CAUSED CONFUSION OVER WHAT LOCALITIES CAN AND CANNOT DO ANY LONGER.

THE GOVERNOR IS SAYING THIS LANGUAGE IS UNENFORCEABLE.

NO REASON FOR THE LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS TO FEAR.

THAT HAS CAUSED A BIT OF A STIR AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION GOING ON.

>> CONFUSION IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

YOU'VE GOT SOME BOARDS SAYING, WHOOPS, WE BETTER STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND OTHERS SAYING THE GOVERNOR SAID IT WAS OKAY.

KYLE, WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO, FLIP A COIN?

>> EXACTLY.

THEY COULD GET WRAPPED UP INTO A LEGAL BATTLE HERE BECAUSE WHILE THE GOVERNOR SAYS THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS BUDGET WAS UNENFORCEABLE AS IT RELATES TO KEEPING HOLD OF MONEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MASK -- [ TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ] >> THEY'RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

WHAT DO WE DO?

WE LISTEN TO THE GOVERNOR, THE LEGISLATURE, WHAT DO WE DO?

SO -- SOME OF THEM ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PULL THE PLUG.

[ TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES ] >> JIMMY, FINAL WORDS ON THE GOVERNOR'S VETOS?

>> WE'VE SEEN THE COUNTIES RESCIND MASK MANDATES, ALLENTON, DICKENSON, SAYING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A STEP BACK BECAUSE WE'RE CONFUSED LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> LET'S CALL IN OUR GUEST TODAY, TED NUGENT, ROCK 'N' ROLL GUY, ON THE PROGRAM BEFORE.

MR. NUGENT, HOW YOU DOING, MAN?

>> HAPPY OCTOBER, JIMMY, KYLE AND JORDYN, GLAD TO BE WITH YOU.

CELEBRATING TRUTH AND COMMON SENSE, GLAD TO BE WITH YOU.

>> HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE?

>> PER HOUR OR PER WEEK?

YOU KNOW, I'M -- I MENTIONED TRUTH, LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE, I SHARE CAMPFIRES WITH GREAT FAMILIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, AND GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY, CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, THAT MAN IN THE ARENA WORK ETHIC, LAW AND ORDER, THE BATTLE CRIES OF GOOD FAMILIES IN THIS COUNTRY AND KNOW THAT I'VE ALWAYS STOOD UP AND RAISED HELL FOR THE BASIC TRADITIONAL VALUES AND THE FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN DREAM, QUALITY OF LIFE.

>> HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO RUN FOR OFFICE?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M 73 YEARS OLD AND GETTING READY FOR THE GREATEST HUNTING SEASON OF MY LIFE.

LIKE DIRTY HARRY SAID A GOOD MAN HAS TO KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS.

I'D LIKE TO THINK MY CALLING IS RAISE HELL WITH THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO REPRESENT WE THE PEOPLE BASED ON THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND FOUNDATIONAL VALUES, I RAISE HELL WITH THOSE RUNNING FOR OFFICE TO VET THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ADHERE TO SACRED CONSTITUTIONAL OATH ONCE THEY GET IN OFFICE.

>> BEFORE I THROW THIS TO KYLE, MR. NUGENT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN ASKED TO RUN FOR OFFICE?

>> AGAIN, YOU CAN'T COUNT THEM, NONSTOP SINCE THE LATE 70s.

NOT JUST MICHIGAN, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO AND OTHER STATES TOO BECAUSE I TRAVEL THE COUNTRY ALL THE TIME AND MEET WITH PEOPLE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

KYLE, JUMP IN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. NUGENT, ARE YOU ENDORSING CAPTAIN MIKE BROWN FOR GOVERNOR OUT OF A FIELD OF 12 PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT NOW RAISING MONEY TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

OF THOSE 12, MIKE BROWN SAYS HE DOES NOT BELIEVE FRAUD HAD AN IMPACT IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

IS THERE A COINCIDENCE THERE?

>> I THINK THERE IS A COINCIDENCE.

I SPOKE WITH MIKE.

HE'S A HERO OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

HE REPRESENTS THE MOST IMPORTANT ESSENCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE IN MICHIGAN AND AMERICA QUITE HONESTLY, AND THAT'S LAW AND ORDER, WHICH WE DON'T SEE MUCH OF NOWADAYS BASED ON THE ENGINEERED RECIDIVISM, I'M ENDORSING MIKE BROWN BECAUSE OF HIS WARRIOR SPIRIT.

HE'S MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE BECAUSE THE FOOTAGE OF THE TESTIMONY PROVES THE LAST ELECTION WAS RIDDLED WITH FRAUD.

MAYBE I CAN UPGRADE MIKE'S UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

I THINK HE'S A GREAT MAN AND DEFINITELY BRING GRADE UPGRADE TO ONCE GREAT STATE OF MICHIGAN.

>> FOLLOW UP, KYLE?

>> ARE YOU ENDORSING OTHER CANDIDATES FOR CONGRESS, ATTORNEY GENERAL OR SECRETARY OF STATE?

I KNOW FOLKS ARE REACHING OUT TO YOU AND WOULD LIKE YOUR ENDORSEMENT?

>> YES.

I SPEAK WITH THEM ON A DAILY BASIS, AND I'M HUMBLED AND HONORED THEY WOULD CONSULT WITH ME.

AGAIN, THEY KNOW I HAVE A GREAT CONNECTION WITH THE PULSE OF THE BEST FAMILIES, ROCK SOLID IN THE ASSET COLUMN OF MICHIGAN, WORKING HARD, PLAYING HARD, AND I ENDORSE TOM LEONARD FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HE WOULD BE SUCH A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT OVER THE MESS WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, AND I GO BY CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS, WORK ETHIC, SUPPORTING ENTREPRENEURS.

YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT FORD ABANDONING MICHIGAN.

NOBODY TRUSTS THIS GOVERNOR.

NOBODY TRUSTS THIS ADMINISTRATION.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS TURNED ON AMERICA AND GOVERNOR WHITMER TURNED US INTO A SUBURB OF NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, MASSACHUSETTS, ILLINOIS AND CALIFORNIA.

HOW EMBARRASSING IS THAT?

>> JORDYN?

>> A MOMENT AGO, YOU MENTIONED FRAUD.

THE SENATE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE PUT OUT A REPORT SAYING EMPHATICALLY THERE WAS NO FRAUD IN MICHIGAN'S ELECTION AND ACTIVELY TRYING TO GO AFTER INDIVIDUALS WHO CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THAT THERE WAS THE IDEA OF FRAUD AND POSSIBLY PROFIT OFF OF IT.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH THE CONTENTS OF THAT REPORT AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE MIGHT HAVE IT WRONG?

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, I LAUGH IN ITS FACE.

I'VE SEEN THE FOOTAGE, SEEN THE SWORN TESTIMONY, I'VE SEEN THE FRAUD.

I'VE SEEN THE GATHERINGS FOR THIS FREAK JOE BIDEN COMPARED TO THE GREAT STATESMAN DONALD TRUMP, WHEN WE HAVE 20, 30, 40,000 PEOPLE FOR THE FIRST TIME CHANTING IN POLITICS, WE LOVE YOU, WE LOVE YOU BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THE GOOD PEOPLE OF AMERICA IN THE ASSET COLUMN.

JOE BIDEN REPRESENTS THE WORST PEOPLE IN AMERICA IN THE LIABILITY PROBLEM.

JORDYN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN HIDE FROM.

THIS DIDN'T YOU CHECK OUT THE SWORN TESTIMONY?

DIDN'T YOU SEE THE FOOTAGE OF THE SUITCASES AND THE BOXES?

COME ON, WAKE UP!

>> JORDYN, FOLLOW UP?

>> UM, I GUESS I WOULD -- I APOLOGIZE, I GUESS I WOULD RESPOND THE SUITCASE AND BOXES WAS SAID AT THE TIME TO BE TV BOXES THAT WERE BRINGING IN EQUIPMENT TO AND FROM TCF CENTER.

I'M PUSHING BACK ON WHAT HAS COME OUT FROM TELEVISION REPORTERS SAYING THAT THAT WAS THEM IN THE PHOTOS AND THAT WAS NOT BALLOTS IN BOXES, BUT I SUPPOSE AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT.

DIFFERENT QUESTION ENTIRELY, EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU HAD CONTRACTED COVID.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MADE A RECOVERY NOW SINCE YOU ARE IN FRONT OF US AND SPEAKING WITH US.

HAS THAT AT ALL CHANGED YOUR PERCEPTION ON THE VIRUS CONSIDERING THAT EARLIER IN THE PANDEMIC AND THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC ACTUALLY, YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY VOCAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU BELIEVE THE VIRUS TO BE LIKE A CHINESE-SENT SOMETHING OR OTHER.

>> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE COVID-19 MIGHT BE A WEAPONIZED VIRUS CREATED IN WUHAN BY BARACK OBAMA, NANCY PELOSI AND FAUCI.

HOW SILLY OF ME.

LISTEN, I GOT THE WUHAN WEAPONIZED VIRUS AND I SURVIVED QUITE NICELY AFTER A COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE I DID WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TOLD ME NOT TO DO, WHICH IS WHAT I ALWAYS DO.

WHAT THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU TO DO IS ALWAYS THE WRONG THING.

I TOOK HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE, IVERMECTIN, STEROIDS AND ZINC AND MY WIFE AND I RECOVERED IN JUST A FEW DAYS, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE THE ANTIBODIES AND WE HAVE STRENGTH AND FORTIFIED IMMUNE SYSTEM AGAINST EXPERIMENTAL SHOTS.

YOUR TURN, JORDYN.

>> LET'S GO TO JIM.

JIMMY?

>> I WATCHED YOUR CAMPFIRE VIDEO THAT YOU POSTED THIS WEEK, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE MADDER THAN EVER.

>> I'M HAPPIER THAN EVER, BUT I COMPARTMENTALIZE THE POSITIVE STUFF AND EMBRACE AND FAN THE FLAMES OF POSITIVE ENERGY AND SPIRIT AND THE GREAT AMERICANS OUT THERE, BUT FIND THE RABID DOG AT THE DOOR.

RABID DOG DOESN'T GET THE SAME TREATMENT AS THE GOOD RETRIEVER GETS.

I IMPROVISE, ADAPT AND OVERCOME.

YES, I'M MAD BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT IS ORCHESTRATING THE INVASION OF AMERICA.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

WAS JANUARY 6 AN INSURRECTION?

>> NO, BUT THIS AFTERNOON, A COUPLE OF MY HUNTING BUDDIES ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INSURRECTION IN A SWAMP.

IT WAS NOT AN INSURRECTION, IT WAS A PROTEST THAT THE BLACK LIVES MATTER AND ANTI-TRUMP.

>> AT THE U.S. CAPITOL, WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

WAS IT AN INSURRECTION, AND IF NOT, IN YOUR MIND, WHAT WAS IT?

>> ALL RIGHT, TAKE A BREATH, JIM, I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOU NOW.

SEE IF YOU CAN GATHER.

THIS WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 WAS A PEACEFUL PROTEST BY TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES THAT WERE INFESTED WITH ANTIFA AND BLACK LIVES MATTER WEARING TRUMP REGALIA THAT THEY PERPETUATED.

THEY PERPETRATED THE VIOLENCE AND THE VANDALISM.

THOSE WEREN'T TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

THAT WAS NOT AN INSURRECTION.

ONLY ONE PERSON WAS SHOT BY A MURDERING GUARD AGAINST AN INNOCENT UNARMED AMERICAN PROTESTING.

SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO CLIMB THROUGH WINDOWS OR BREAK ANYTHING BUT NO, IT WAS NOT AN INSURRECTION.

THE INSURRECTION TOOK PLACE AT CONCORDE BRIDGE IN 1776.

IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL INSURRECTION BY THE WAY.

>> JIM.

>> DO I GET A FOLLOW-UP?

HAVING SAID THAT, DO YOU BELIEVE THE RHETORIC THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SPOKE BEFORE THE GROUP WENT DOWN TO THE CAPITOL HAS CAUSED EVERYBODY, INCLUDING PEOPLE LIKE YOU, TO TONE DOWN THE RHETORIC?

>> NO.

>> MR. NUGENT?

>> LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE.

>> YOU DESCRIBED -- WHAT WORD DID YOU USE TO DESCRIBE THE VACCINE, YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S REAL SIR?

>> NO, IT'S NOT A VACCINE, IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL SHOT, THE FDA WAS FORCED TO AUTHORIZE IT BUT JABBING PEOPLE WITH AN EXPERIMENTAL SHOT RIGHT UP UNTIL THE FAKE AUTHORIZATION.

I WORK WITH DEDICATED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, SCIENTISTS AND BIOLOGISTS AND VIROLOGISTS AND THERE'S TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PROFESSIONAL HEALTH MASTERS WHO CALL IT AN EXPERIMENTAL SHOT AND YOU SHOULDN'T GET IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IT.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A VACCINE.

MOST OF AMERICA DOESN'T BELIEVE IT'S A VACCINE.

THE ONLY ONES TAKING IT ARE GULLIBLE OR BEING FORCED BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOB OR LIFE OR LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

THIS IS A TRAGIC TIME IN AMERICA, IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL SHOT.

IF YOU TRY TO GIVE IT TO ME, I'LL EXPERIMENT ON YOU.

>> WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IT IS A WORTHWHILE VACCINE AND IT IS SAVING LIVES?

ARE THEY DEAD WRONG?

HAVE THEY BEEN FED A LINE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

>> TIM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE THAT WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE JAB.

I WOULD SPEAK TO THEM JUSTLY.

[ SHEEP SOUNDS ] >> ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT GOT THE SHOTS ARE JUST STUPID?

>> YEP.

>> SOME MIGHT SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT YOUR POSITION BEING AGAINST IT.

>> BELIEVE ME MAYTHEY DO.

AND BELIEVE ME, TIM, I HAVE BUDDIES, FAMILY TOOK IT BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING PRESSURE AND THE PROPAGANDA POUNDING AND THE FEAR THAT HAS BEEN CULTIVATED BY THIS OUT-OF-CONTROL TREASONOUS GOVERNMENT.

AND JIM CAN CALL THIS RHETORIC, BUT THIS IS THE PULSE OF CRITICAL THINKING AMERICA, AND CRITICAL THINKING PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD.

THE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS EVERY WORD I SPEAK OUTWEIGHS THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, SO I'M NOT ALONE HERE, THIS ISN'T RADICAL STUFF, THIS IS CRITICAL THINKING BASED ON SCIENCE, BASED ON MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE VERY DEDICATED AND I TAKE THEIR ADVICE.

IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL SHOT, DON'T COME NEAR ME WITH YOUR NEEDLE.

>> MR. MELINN.

>> I LISTEN TO A PODCAST OF VIROLOGISTS WHO SAY GETTING THE VACCINE HAS SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES.

WOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?

>> LET ME ASK YOU, IT'S KYLE, RIGHT?

>> IT IS, SIR?

>> YEAH, KYLE.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT OVER 680,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED FROM THE WUHAN WEAPONIZED VIRUS OR DO YOU SAY THERE'S HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND I FORGET THE BUREAUCRATIC TITLE THAT SAY THIS GUY DIED OF CANCER, THIS GUY DIED OF HEART DISEASE, THIS GUY WAS STABBED TO DEATH AND FORCED TO WRITE THEY DIED OF COVID-19.

TELL ME YOU'VE SEEN THESE PEOPLE TESTIFY TO THAT.

I DISMISS ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THE BUREAUCRACY.

>> I'VE ALSO HEARD REPORTS FROM VIROLOGISTS WHO SAY THAT THE VACCINE HAS SAVED LIVES.

WOULD YOU CONCUR THAT THE VACCINE HAS SAVED LIVES?

>> I WOULD CONCUR IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THOSE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE NOT BROW BEAT INTO SUCCUMBING INTO THE PROPAGANDA MINISTRY, AND AGAIN, WE CAN DISCUSS WHO'S BEEN SAVED AND NOT BEEN SAVED.

IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO TAKE IT AND THEY GET PROPER PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE, I GIVE THEM ALL MY RESPECT.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT CHOICE, AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE YOUR BUSINESS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO LET SOMEONE PUT MEDICINE INTO YOUR BODY THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN.

ARE YOU WITH ME ON THAT, AT LEAST?

>> YOU BASICALLY SAID EARLIER, THERE WAS FRAUD IN THE ELECTION, SO ARE YOU WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE HERE TODAY THAT JOE BIDEN WAS FAIR AND SQUARE ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

>> OF COURSE NOT!

NO WAY.

>> WELL, THE CONGRESS AND EVERYBODY VOTED.

IT'S DONE.

>> THE CONGRESS ARE TRUSTWORTHY, YEAH, WE ARE BEING INVADED THROUGH THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

MY OWN REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN TEXAS, GOVERNOR ABBOTT IS DERELICT OF DUTY.

HOW DO YOU STAND BY AND ORCHESTRATE AN INVASION BY PEOPLE THAT ARE UNVETTED, UNKNOWN FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD DURING THESE TREACHEROUS TIMES.

DON'T YOU SEE HOW UNTRUSTWORTHY THEY'VE BECOME?

GOOD AMERICANS, THOUGHTFUL AMERICAN, EDUCATED AMERICANS, WAY SMARTER THAN ME DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT FOR ANYTHING.

>> JORDYN, WE HAVE ONE MINUTE.

QUESTION PLEASE.

>> SO THEY DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.

I'M KIND OF BANKING OFF OF THAT, DO YOU FEEL AS THOUGH THERE'S ANY WAY FOR THE WILD PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT HAS OCCURRING RIGHT NOW, HOW DO YOU SEE US GETTING THROUGH THAT?

HOW DO YOU SEE US GETTING OVER THAT?

OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE?

>> WELL, IT'S BORDERLINE IMPOSSIBLE, JORDYN, BECAUSE OF THE VAST DISTRUST OUT THERE THAT IS RIGHTLY DISTRUSTING.

I'D LIKE TO SEE ACCOUNTABILITY.

MAYBE JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON HUNTER SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE.

MAYBE HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA FOR THE LIES ABOUT THE VIDEO IN BENGHAZI.

MAYBE THE ATROCITY OF THE AFGHANISTAN ESCAPE FAILURE.

SO MANY EXAMPLES.

MAYBE LON HORIACHI SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MURDER.

>> MR. NUGENT, I HAVE TO JUMP IN.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO RETIRE?

>> NOT A PRAYER.

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THANKS FOR BEING ON THE BROADCAST.

>> HAPPY HUNTING SEASON!

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